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	<title>Comments on: Going for broke</title>
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	<description>Collaborating towards ecstasy</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Messina</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/07/21/going-for-broke/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Messina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we set up citizenspace.us... what's wrong with that? And now the community's got coworking.info... Seems like we were able to scrounge up enough spare change to lock down those addresses...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we set up citizenspace.us&#8230; what&#8217;s wrong with that? And now the community&#8217;s got coworking.info&#8230; Seems like we were able to scrounge up enough spare change to lock down those addresses&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/07/21/going-for-broke/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 04:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do you have $8.95 or so by now (to buy a real domain name for your coworking site?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you have $8.95 or so by now (to buy a real domain name for your coworking site?!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Burton</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/07/21/going-for-broke/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post to Erotic Services on Craigslist... I'm sure you could make a few extra hundred in the castro ;)

Ha.. jk.  at least you have a sugar momma :)

Ok.... another joke :)

In all seriousness, cash flow is the #1 thing that will burn you in a startup (at least for me).  If you can just buffer it a little bit on your credit cards.

It hit me too... the question is whether you sell out and how. 

Just focus on revenue.  Everything else will fall into place.

Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post to Erotic Services on Craigslist&#8230; I&#8217;m sure you could make a few extra hundred in the castro <img src='http://citizenagency.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Ha.. jk.  at least you have a sugar momma <img src='http://citizenagency.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Ok&#8230;. another joke <img src='http://citizenagency.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
In all seriousness, cash flow is the #1 thing that will burn you in a startup (at least for me).  If you can just buffer it a little bit on your credit cards.</p>
<p>It hit me too&#8230; the question is whether you sell out and how. </p>
<p>Just focus on revenue.  Everything else will fall into place.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Messina</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/07/21/going-for-broke/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Messina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Laura,

We're still figuring it out, but we're primarily offering consulting services for companies who want to build organic communities, improve their products within the context of those communities or want to build tools for developers to get involved or make use of their products. That's what we get paid for -- and as much as we can give back to the larger community, that puts us in a great position to offer the best kind of work to folks who espouse our values and ideals.

We're not head-hunters though -- we're very much about equal participation and contributions... So those who do good work for us or bring us work will end up receiving; it's not mathematical, it's how community works.

But like I said, we're still figuring it all out -- things look good so far, so stay tuned. I'm pretty excited to see this get off the ground and I'm thrilled to have you as a reader!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Laura,</p>
<p>We&#8217;re still figuring it out, but we&#8217;re primarily offering consulting services for companies who want to build organic communities, improve their products within the context of those communities or want to build tools for developers to get involved or make use of their products. That&#8217;s what we get paid for &#8212; and as much as we can give back to the larger community, that puts us in a great position to offer the best kind of work to folks who espouse our values and ideals.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not head-hunters though &#8212; we&#8217;re very much about equal participation and contributions&#8230; So those who do good work for us or bring us work will end up receiving; it&#8217;s not mathematical, it&#8217;s how community works.</p>
<p>But like I said, we&#8217;re still figuring it all out &#8212; things look good so far, so stay tuned. I&#8217;m pretty excited to see this get off the ground and I&#8217;m thrilled to have you as a reader!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/07/21/going-for-broke/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris, 

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that you do. I have a sense...I sort of think it's interesting and try to follow along : ) only because I'm a huge fan!! How for example, and I know this is not the most important thing on your agenda, do you make money and what are your deliverables that clients come to you for? I'm interetested because I like to connect people that I know and get them working together too..so if I could understand more about what you do for clients I might be able to tell others more concisely and recommend you to people who are looking for what it is you do.

hearts, 

Laura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out what it is that you do. I have a sense&#8230;I sort of think it&#8217;s interesting and try to follow along : ) only because I&#8217;m a huge fan!! How for example, and I know this is not the most important thing on your agenda, do you make money and what are your deliverables that clients come to you for? I&#8217;m interetested because I like to connect people that I know and get them working together too..so if I could understand more about what you do for clients I might be able to tell others more concisely and recommend you to people who are looking for what it is you do.</p>
<p>hearts, </p>
<p>Laura</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/07/21/going-for-broke/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys sure do take your policy of keeping it all out in the open seriously!

I can relate, Chris. I too am a bootstrapper in his start-up year, and I'm financing myself primarily out-of-pocket. Except that it usually doesn't get to my pocket before it's right back out there for expenses again. 

The future is bright for CA though. You are the standard by which I will measure my own efforts. Keep up the good work, and feel free to disclose all of the great ideas you enact on behalf of your clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys sure do take your policy of keeping it all out in the open seriously!</p>
<p>I can relate, Chris. I too am a bootstrapper in his start-up year, and I&#8217;m financing myself primarily out-of-pocket. Except that it usually doesn&#8217;t get to my pocket before it&#8217;s right back out there for expenses again. </p>
<p>The future is bright for CA though. You are the standard by which I will measure my own efforts. Keep up the good work, and feel free to disclose all of the great ideas you enact on behalf of your clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Tremblay</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/07/21/going-for-broke/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Tremblay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long long ago, shortly after the earth's crust had cooled, birds of a certain feather congregated to spend most of their time travelling in groups by bus. It was part of a movement that flew the banner of "Do your own thing" which was code for "We don't like anybody who's different." But, as with the traditional campfire, the process of congregation had its benefits. Though the movement died away, leaving "political correctness" to arise from its ashes, still ... some peopel remember the serendipity of group process.

In another era, with memories of bus-evenings on the road still vividly in mind, I got into hi-tech to provide myself with income after having abandoned the charade of "peace keeping". Hi-tech paid well, as it still does, and real-estate speculation paid even better ... but bus-like experiences were few and far between. So I trimmed my sails to tack closer to the wind.

Decades later, having raised 5 kids in the hills over looking a large lake, I'm finding that "voluntary simplicity" has slipped into "abject poverty" ... _pro bono_ for NGOs doesn't count for much when it comes to buzz and spin and rainbow-coloured smoke.

Whether it's OpenSource or CrowdSourcing or whatever, there's a certain sloth at play these days. (Sloth ... an antique word ... "a reluctance to do the good" is how I learned it.

My 300MHz machine has developed a wierd bug (85% CPU usage constantly), I get WiFi through a very tentative arrangement (involving a wok used as a reflector), and my monitor's going blank every couple of hours instead of every couple of days.

It's been a long haul ... and there's rough sledding ahead of us.

stay well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long long ago, shortly after the earth&#8217;s crust had cooled, birds of a certain feather congregated to spend most of their time travelling in groups by bus. It was part of a movement that flew the banner of &#8220;Do your own thing&#8221; which was code for &#8220;We don&#8217;t like anybody who&#8217;s different.&#8221; But, as with the traditional campfire, the process of congregation had its benefits. Though the movement died away, leaving &#8220;political correctness&#8221; to arise from its ashes, still &#8230; some peopel remember the serendipity of group process.</p>
<p>In another era, with memories of bus-evenings on the road still vividly in mind, I got into hi-tech to provide myself with income after having abandoned the charade of &#8220;peace keeping&#8221;. Hi-tech paid well, as it still does, and real-estate speculation paid even better &#8230; but bus-like experiences were few and far between. So I trimmed my sails to tack closer to the wind.</p>
<p>Decades later, having raised 5 kids in the hills over looking a large lake, I&#8217;m finding that &#8220;voluntary simplicity&#8221; has slipped into &#8220;abject poverty&#8221; &#8230; _pro bono_ for NGOs doesn&#8217;t count for much when it comes to buzz and spin and rainbow-coloured smoke.</p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s OpenSource or CrowdSourcing or whatever, there&#8217;s a certain sloth at play these days. (Sloth &#8230; an antique word &#8230; &#8220;a reluctance to do the good&#8221; is how I learned it.</p>
<p>My 300MHz machine has developed a wierd bug (85% CPU usage constantly), I get WiFi through a very tentative arrangement (involving a wok used as a reflector), and my monitor&#8217;s going blank every couple of hours instead of every couple of days.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a long haul &#8230; and there&#8217;s rough sledding ahead of us.</p>
<p>stay well</p>
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		<title>By: Cebelrating at Citizen Agency</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/07/21/going-for-broke/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Cebelrating at Citizen Agency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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