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	<title>Comments on: How do you measure the health of a community?</title>
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		<title>By: pareidoliac</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/10/29/how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-a-community/#comment-11349</link>
		<dc:creator>pareidoliac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Tara, this is a fascinating post and actually, a few of the articles of yours I flicked through contain some great lines of thought. 

This topic is particularly attractive to me as it is something I spend a bit of time thinking about also. How does one measure the health of a community? If Ben Okri is right, one can tell by the 'health' or 'sickness' of its stories and cultural practices, whether a community (virtual or actual) is well or sick. 

Of course when we speak of a community, we are essentially speaking of a social individual, something you recognize when you say, "what works for one community, won’t work for another". Thus MySpace as a social individual is distinct from Facebook or Bebo. MySpacing feels different from Facebooking... but empirically, there are also radical differences in the affordances of each social individual - MySpace for instance is often perceived to offer space for greater creative expressions compared to Facebook. Thus there are things one does in one community that one may not in another. In the same way, there are things one does in one country that one may not in another (one might smoke a joint in Amsterdam and not in New York City for instance). 

Measuring the health of any individual (whether at the level of a person or community) is not like measuring say temperature. It is more like measuring a prevailing mood or taking a snapshot of a dynamic stable state (a state of social ritual equilibrium if you like). 

Torkild Thanem and Stephen Linstead (2006) note in their discussion of multiplicities, 

“An object cannot be hot at the same time as it is cold – its capacity to withstand a multiplicity of temperatures can therefore only be demonstrated sequentially. This holds for the human sensation of temperature too – although parts of our body might be hot whilst others are cold, a singular part is not both hot and cold at the same time. Heat and cold are intensive properties – they don’t add to each other but average out across the system. But is human happiness equally capable of being viewed as an absence of sadness? We all have experiences which are tinged with, or even lie between both, moments when we do not know whether to laugh or cry. They are present together within us, not as external objects acting upon us with separate influences, and happy/sad cannot be collapsed like heat/cold into the simultaneity of the single metric of temperature, a terrain through which we move like mercury moving up and down the thermometer scale. They are therefore extensive – they can be and are split as different qualities. The virtual shifting and becoming of mood is relational and qualitative, irreducibly experienced and intuited rather than measured and calculated”. 

The question of measuring a community's health, or happiness or sadness is not a question of measuring degrees... we are dealing with an altogether different multiplicity that must be intuited.

What you do get at in your post with the image of equalizers is the knowledge that the intuition of a social individual involves a multiplicity of variables... we can call this the beginning of an engineering diagram of social individuals.

Just a whole bunch of lines of thought... I'm slowly working together into a blog post on qualitative and quantitative measurements and the mistakes made too often in psychological and social sciences in regards to other multiplicities at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tara, this is a fascinating post and actually, a few of the articles of yours I flicked through contain some great lines of thought. </p>
<p>This topic is particularly attractive to me as it is something I spend a bit of time thinking about also. How does one measure the health of a community? If Ben Okri is right, one can tell by the &#8216;health&#8217; or &#8217;sickness&#8217; of its stories and cultural practices, whether a community (virtual or actual) is well or sick. </p>
<p>Of course when we speak of a community, we are essentially speaking of a social individual, something you recognize when you say, &#8220;what works for one community, won’t work for another&#8221;. Thus MySpace as a social individual is distinct from Facebook or Bebo. MySpacing feels different from Facebooking&#8230; but empirically, there are also radical differences in the affordances of each social individual - MySpace for instance is often perceived to offer space for greater creative expressions compared to Facebook. Thus there are things one does in one community that one may not in another. In the same way, there are things one does in one country that one may not in another (one might smoke a joint in Amsterdam and not in New York City for instance). </p>
<p>Measuring the health of any individual (whether at the level of a person or community) is not like measuring say temperature. It is more like measuring a prevailing mood or taking a snapshot of a dynamic stable state (a state of social ritual equilibrium if you like). </p>
<p>Torkild Thanem and Stephen Linstead (2006) note in their discussion of multiplicities, </p>
<p>“An object cannot be hot at the same time as it is cold – its capacity to withstand a multiplicity of temperatures can therefore only be demonstrated sequentially. This holds for the human sensation of temperature too – although parts of our body might be hot whilst others are cold, a singular part is not both hot and cold at the same time. Heat and cold are intensive properties – they don’t add to each other but average out across the system. But is human happiness equally capable of being viewed as an absence of sadness? We all have experiences which are tinged with, or even lie between both, moments when we do not know whether to laugh or cry. They are present together within us, not as external objects acting upon us with separate influences, and happy/sad cannot be collapsed like heat/cold into the simultaneity of the single metric of temperature, a terrain through which we move like mercury moving up and down the thermometer scale. They are therefore extensive – they can be and are split as different qualities. The virtual shifting and becoming of mood is relational and qualitative, irreducibly experienced and intuited rather than measured and calculated”. </p>
<p>The question of measuring a community&#8217;s health, or happiness or sadness is not a question of measuring degrees&#8230; we are dealing with an altogether different multiplicity that must be intuited.</p>
<p>What you do get at in your post with the image of equalizers is the knowledge that the intuition of a social individual involves a multiplicity of variables&#8230; we can call this the beginning of an engineering diagram of social individuals.</p>
<p>Just a whole bunch of lines of thought&#8230; I&#8217;m slowly working together into a blog post on qualitative and quantitative measurements and the mistakes made too often in psychological and social sciences in regards to other multiplicities at work.</p>
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		<title>By: ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon &#187; Post ETech Notes</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/10/29/how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-a-community/#comment-10843</link>
		<dc:creator>::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon &#187; Post ETech Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of happiness (which I&#8217;ve planned to talk about for a while, because, in the context of the measurements for healthy communities, it makes a good deal of sense). The &#8216;alternate reality&#8217; games she has been running are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of happiness (which I&#8217;ve planned to talk about for a while, because, in the context of the measurements for healthy communities, it makes a good deal of sense). The &#8216;alternate reality&#8217; games she has been running are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/10/29/how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-a-community/#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kids health should be a base direction of the program of development of social sphere WBR LeoP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kids health should be a base direction of the program of development of social sphere WBR LeoP</p>
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		<title>By: chris ronan</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/10/29/how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-a-community/#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator>chris ronan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.  I frequent your feeds and enjoy the material you make available.  The metaphor you used in this post gets us closer to "packaging the gut."

When old guard meets new guard we have an interesting chasm to cross.  There's so much "tuning" to do.

Thanks again, and best wishes in the New Year!

Chris Ronan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara,</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your thoughts.  I frequent your feeds and enjoy the material you make available.  The metaphor you used in this post gets us closer to &#8220;packaging the gut.&#8221;</p>
<p>When old guard meets new guard we have an interesting chasm to cross.  There&#8217;s so much &#8220;tuning&#8221; to do.</p>
<p>Thanks again, and best wishes in the New Year!</p>
<p>Chris Ronan</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fabretti</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/10/29/how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-a-community/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Fabretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome, awesome, awesome. I can't help thinking that measurement of community is at odds with the Pinko philosophy but until 2020 and the men in suits realise the power of community then anything we can do to help them rationalise people power the better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome, awesome, awesome. I can&#8217;t help thinking that measurement of community is at odds with the Pinko philosophy but until 2020 and the men in suits realise the power of community then anything we can do to help them rationalise people power the better!</p>
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		<title>By: This company has been brought to you by community production &#187; Billions With Zero Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/10/29/how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-a-community/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>This company has been brought to you by community production &#187; Billions With Zero Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Messina and Tara Hunt from Citizen Agency have begun the discussion at the Barcamp wiki. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Messina and Tara Hunt from Citizen Agency have begun the discussion at the Barcamp wiki. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: deb schultz</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/10/29/how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-a-community/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>deb schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey guys- anything that improves  (or better still) creates real measurement for engagement beyond freakin banner ads is AOK in my book! nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey guys- anything that improves  (or better still) creates real measurement for engagement beyond freakin banner ads is AOK in my book! nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Sierra</title>
		<link>http://citizenagency.com/blog/2006/10/29/how-do-you-measure-the-health-of-a-community/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Sierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this idea--I've always been a fan of the equalizer/mixer metaphor. Here's a guy who made an interactive version of the sliders that you can label and adjust:

http://livingcode.blogspot.com/2005/12/sierra-sliders.html

Looking forward to see what comes next!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this idea&#8211;I&#8217;ve always been a fan of the equalizer/mixer metaphor. Here&#8217;s a guy who made an interactive version of the sliders that you can label and adjust:</p>
<p><a href="http://livingcode.blogspot.com/2005/12/sierra-sliders.html" rel="nofollow">http://livingcode.blogspot.com/2005/12/sierra-sliders.html</a></p>
<p>Looking forward to see what comes next!</p>
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		<title>By: Perfect Path</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perfect Path</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Social Reporting and Rich Records...&lt;/strong&gt;

David Wilcox writes about the role of Social Reporter. "Online forums need hosts and moderators, workshops need facilitators, networks require some weaving to develop links. But how, for example, do you do that fast around an event, capture content, a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Social Reporting and Rich Records&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>David Wilcox writes about the role of Social Reporter. &#8220;Online forums need hosts and moderators, workshops need facilitators, networks require some weaving to develop links. But how, for example, do you do that fast around an event, capture content, a&#8230;</p>
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